Amenia Planning Board hears introductory Hudson River Housing plan

Town Hall in Amenia on Route 22.
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Town Hall in Amenia on Route 22.
AMENIA — In addition to opening a pair of public hearings and then continuing them to its January meeting, the Amenia Planning Board at its regular meeting on Wednesday, Dec. 11, heard preliminary conceptual plans for Hudson River Housing to develop an affordable housing project to be known as Cascade Creek.
The first public hearing to be continued was to hear comments on plans for construction of an indoor pool at Troutbeck as part of Troutbeck’s Phase 8 construction planning. As a result of the continuation, comments will be heard during the January Planning Board meeting on Wednesday, Jan. 8.
Residents did offer comments on plans for a sign at a new business, Da Vinci Windows, located at 3430 Route 343. Leading off the discussion, John Andrews, Planning board Engineer, detailed plans for the recently renovated property to create a window showroom to the first floor and an apartment above.
The business sign was originally proposed to be internally lit, but that type of sign is prohibited by local sign regulations. The applicant changed the sign’s lighting design to include exterior lighting from the bottom, but the sign code specifies that the lighting needs to shine down from above.
Planning Board member Nina Peek said that the plan should be revised to show the proper sign design.
Neighboring property owners expressed concern about debris on the property and a paved driveway near a wetlands buffer. Other neighbors raised questions about sight lines being obstructed by the new sign, pointing to speeding traffic in that stretch of highway where a blind spot exists.
Representatives from Hudson River Housing of Poughkeepsie preliminarily described plans to develop acreage at 34 Cascade Road to offer workforce housing to first-time homebuyers.
“This is the first time this is in front of you,” Andrews said of the planning for the property that is zoned suburban residential.
“We are going to need Planning Board guidance,” Andrews said, adding that on-site water and septic are envisioned for what is planned as a conservation subdivision.
Of initial concern, Andrews said, is that the maps on file are inconclusive in showing acreage that the applicant is describing.
“We need to know the size of the parcel,” Planning Board Attorney Paul Van Cott said.
Andrews added that the applicant is proposing to construct homes to become workforce housing, and that any workforce housing plan must be referred to the Housing Board.
Architect Peter Zander, describing the Hudson River Housing project and accompanying vice-president Mary Linge, reported that four construction phases would be planned with seven homes to be built in each phase for a total of 28 homes, each on a one-acre lot.
Zander said that there are no wetlands on the parcel, no endangered species, and no archeological history.
Linge indicated that single-family homes are envisioned to be sold to first-time home buyers. She added that she understands the process and she and Hudson River Housing are prepared for the long haul.
Attorney Van Cott said he will study the conservation analysis.
Planning Board member Ken Topolsky praised the work of the applicant in presenting the cultural history of the land, dating back thousands of years, as part of their efforts to plan a conservation subdivision.
Zander said that a certified survey will expand upon the conservation narrative.
In Victorian era costume for the occasion, Madame Datura regaled the Amenia Library’s Tea Society meeting on Saturday, Oct. 11, with the history of plants and poisons, all the rage in 19th century literature and in fact.
AMENIA — Breaking from its usual tea and pastries format, the Saturday, Oct 11 meeting of the Amenia Tea Society featured a Victorian costumed talk by area resident Madame Datura titled “Poison in Relation to Tea.”
When not inhabiting the character of Madame Datura, author Renee Fleury of Brewster has extensive experience as a botanist and has studied the properties of plants, including the long history of poisonous plants and how they impacted past generations through popular literature or use, innocent or on purpose.
“Poison was everywhere,” Fleury said. “Half of all plant life is considered poisonous, but not all are fatal.”
“As a literary device, poisoning is subtle,” Fleury explained, noting the poisonous properties of Monkshood, Moonflower and Foxglove. Because it is a slow process, it was a popular device in the Victorian era detective genre that gained popularity through the novels of Poe, Dickens, Conan Doyle and more.
Even arsenic needs more than one dose to be effective, up to four to be exact.
“Arsenic is undetectable for a long time,” Fleury noted.
“The 19th century is full of stories in the press and in literature,” Fleury said. “It was the Golden Age of Poisoning.”
Wives in the Victorian era had few rights and often resorted to poisoning to escape the trap of spousal violence, Fleury noted.
About poisons, Fleury said that they are not painless, poisoning takes premeditation.
“Alkaloids make a plant poisonous,” Fleury noted. Alkaloids are molecular structures within a plant, but they are seasonal, not always there. The species, the plant part and the dosage are all variables.
Many potentially poisonous plants are currently used in medicines, Fleury said. Moonflower, for example, is a medicinal ingredient used to treat a variety of ailments.
“We cannot survive without plants,” Fleury said speaking of the great advances in medicines used today.
For generations, it was thought that small doses of arsenic were helpful. Steaks were routinely dipped in arsenic to retard spoilage. Green dye produced from arsenic was used in fabric coloring until it was proven that contact with that fabric was fatal. Arsenic was also used in the bookbinding process.
Fleury, and Madame Datura, schedule appearances throughout the region. For information, go to refleur369@gmail.com.
Planning Board members granted a waiver to the proposed cannabis dispensary located in the historic weigh station on Route 82 allowing the business to operate within 300 feet of the firehouse and the Post Office in contradiction with Pine Plains's local law. Town attorney Warren Replansky explained the town's codes would likely be unenforceable following legal decisions handed down by the Office of Cannabis Management on Monday, Oct. 6.
PINE PLAINS — Members of the Planning Board voted unanimously to grant a waiver to Upstate Pines allowing the cannabis dispensary to operate within 300 feet of the firehouse and the Post Office at their regular meeting Wednesday, Oct. 8.
That vote came after Planning Board attorney Warren Replansky explained recent state guidance superceded the town’s ability to restrict the business on the grounds of its proximity to the Post Office and the firehouse.
Approval of the dispensary itself was not yet granted, and the public hearing will be continued at the Wednesday, Nov. 12, meeting of the Planning Board.
Replansky explained an advisory opinion handed down on Monday, Oct. 6, from the state government and the Office of Cannabis Management clarified that municipalities may only legally restrict a nonmedical cannabis dispensary’s distance to a “public youth facility,” defined as a publicly accessible space with the primary purpose of providing services to children.
“So that might’ve saved you a bit of time,” Planning Board Chair Michael Stabile said to the applicants following Replansky’s remarks.
Next steps for the project now require the applicants to undergo State Environmental Quality Review, a standard process that most major development projects are required to follow.
Planning Board members, Replansky and the applicants also discussed parking and traffic control plans after receiving input from Dutchess County Planners that requested more specific information about the potential future uses on the site including a grocery store and an ice cream shop.
County planners wanted to see a detailed description of the scope of all future uses to limit the possibility of segmentation, which is when a project is proposed and completed in vague phases that inhibit the full environmental review process.
Also on the agenda was a resolution to allow construction of a small house at 441 Carpenter Hill Road and the approval of a site plan for ground-mounted solar panels in the backyard of a residence at 560 Carpenter Hill Road. Board members approved the resolution for the small house and accepted the site plan for the solar panels, setting a public hearing on the matter for Wednesday, Nov. 12.
Dozens of people crowded into the courthouse at the Washington Town Hall on Reservoir Drive in Millbrook on Tuesday, Oct. 7, to watch a pre-application meeting between Planning Board members and representatives of Centaur Properties LLC. David Blatt and Henry Hay of Centaur Properties LLC described their plan to build an 18-hole golf course with limited membership and residences on the historic 2,000-acre Hitchcock estate.
"This is nothing like Silo Ridge," said Centaur Properties co-founder Henry Hay. "This is Buckingham Palace to a craphouse. It's completely different. It's much higher quality."
MILLBROOK — Dozens of residents of the Town of Washington packed into the courtroom in Town Hall on Reservoir Drive for a standing-room-only regular meeting of the Planning Board on Tuesday, Oct. 7.
Well over three-quarters of the crowd were there to listen in to a pre-application meeting between Planning Board members and representatives of Centaur Properties LLC, a New York City-based development company that’s proposing an 18-hole golf course, equestrian facilities and luxury residential development on the 2,000-acre Hitchcock estate.
A pre-application meeting, Planning Board Chair Susan Meaney explained before beginning the discussion, allows developers or anyone with a potential project to meet with the Planning Board and ask questions about the planning and zoning process prior to submitting an application.
“This is not a public hearing,” Meaney said. “That doesn’t mean that you can’t let your voices be heard. If you have opinions about what gets said here tonight or what the potential proposal might be you can certainly write letters to the Planning Board.”
Henry Hay and David Blatt are the men behind Centaur Properties’ proposal for the Hitchcock estate. Blatt began the discussion by expressing his and Hay’s desire to have an open dialogue with the community.
“It goes without saying this is an incredible piece of property — an incredibly large piece of property,” Blatt said. “It deserves a responsible and thoughtful steward and our hope is that we can bring that level of stewardship that the property deserves and the level of attention to detail and care that this property needs.”
Following was a description of the project centered around an 18-hole golf course that Blatt and Hay said was essential to the development.
“Our ideas on our project are to create a world class golf course, clubhouse — limited membership,” Blatt said.
Additionally, the developers expressed a desire to construct a spa, equestrian facilities, trails, housing and to conserve a portion of the estate.
Planning Board members then began a back-and-forth with the developers, asking the two men for more specific details about their proposal. One of Meaney’s first questions centered around private membership.
“We’re going to have a very, very small membership,” Hay said. “Maybe 300 people.”
That response prompted board member Nicole Drury to clarify if the proposal is more akin to a private golf club or a gated luxury housing development of the likes of the Discovery Land Company’s Silo Ridge Field Club in Amenia — a gated luxury subdivision in Amenia with an 18-hole golf course and other amenities.
“This is nothing like Silo Ridge,” Hay said in response. “This is Buckingham Palace to a craphouse. It’s completely different. It’s much higher quality.”
Later on in the meeting, Planning Board member Eric Alexander again drew comparisons between Centaur’s proposal and the nearby Silo Ridge Field Club in Amenia, which he called a “bad situation for that community.” He cited a perception of exclusivity within the luxury housing development that has put off the surrounding Amenia community.
But Hay wouldn’t elaborate on the distinctions between the Hitchcock estate proposal and Silo Ridge Field Club. "This is nothing like Silo Ridge," Hay maintained. "We don't want that."
Environmental conservation was central to the board members’ concerns, prompting conflicting responses from Blatt and Hay about the amount of open space that will be left after development.
“At least 50%,” Hay said before Blatt cut him off.
“I think 25 to 50% is kind of a good estimate,” Blatt said, correcting his colleague. “We would love to put aside as much as possible.”
The pre-application meeting ended shortly after input from the Planning Board’s attorney, Hannah Atkinson of Van DeWater & Van DeWater out of Poughkeepsie, and Meaney that not much more could be said about the proposal until something concrete has been submitted to the board.
“There’s a code so you can be working within the framework of what’s expected in these different zones,” Atkinson said of the town’s zoning code, and urged the developers to read the code and use it and the town’s comprehensive plan to guide them in designing the project. “You’re not going to be 180 degrees off what the board is expecting if you follow the provisions of the code.”
As of press time, the sale of the Hitchcock estate has not been finalized. The property was listed for sale in Summer 2024 for $75 million.
Built in 1820, 1168 Bangall Amenia Road sold for $875,000 on July 31 with the transfer recorded in August. It has a Millbrook post office and is located in the Webutuck school district.
STANFORD — The Town of Stanford with nine transfers in two months reached a median price in August of $573,000 for single family homes, still below Stanford’s all-time median high in August 2024 of $640,000.
At the beginning of October there is a large inventory of single-family homes listed for sale with only six of the 18 homes listed for below the median price of $573,000 and seven above $1 million.
July transfers
79 Ernest Road — 4 bedroom/2.5 bath home on 6.87 acres in 2 parcels sold to Matthew C. Marinetti for $1,225,000.
29 Drake Road — 3 bedroom/3.5 bath home on 2 acres sold to Harper Montgomery for $850,000.
6042 Route 82 — 4 bedroom/2 bath home on 1.09 acres sold to Spencer Thompson for $795,000.
125 Tick Tock Way — 3 bedroom/2.5 bath ranch on 1.9 acres sold to Fleur Touchard for $475,000.
August transfers
102 Prospect Hill Road — 3 bedroom/2 bath home on 6.35 acres sold to Karl Creighton Pfister for $565,000.
252 Ernest Road — 2 bedroom/1 bath cottage on .85 acres sold to Meg Bumie for $465,000.
1196 Bangall Amenia Road — 4 bedroom/2.5 bath home on 2.16 acres sold to Roderick Alleyne for $875,000.
Hunns Lake Road (#759929) — 59.1 acres of residential land sold to Argos Farm LLC for $3,325,000.
* Town of Stanford recorded real estate transfers from July 1 to August 31 provided by Dutchess County Real Property Office monthly transfer reports. Details on each property from Dutchess Parcel Access - properties with an # indicate location on Dutchess Parcel Access. Market data from One Key MLS and Infosparks .Compiled by Christine Bates, Real Estate Advisor with William Pitt Sotheby’s International Realty, Licensed in Connecticut and New York.